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  1. The promise is not written out well. It is missing a verb that says what the girl will be doing.

  2. I agree with the proposal, agreeing that “try” is a soft word indicating an attempt, and that “will” is a very strong word that signifies commitment. However, I also agree with Amy and Samantha that “will” sets one up for failure, as it is humanly impossible to achieve the goals laid forth in the Promise & Law all the time. Their suggestion of “strive” to replace “try” is a logical choice. It is stronger than “try” and conveys an ongoing commitment to achieving those goals, but with the unstated acknowledgment that we may not always achieve those goals. “Strive” is a powerful action verb that I believe will address the issues of those seeking to change the wording in a way that expresses strong commitment. “Strive” is an attainable goal; “will” is not.

  3. I will support this proposal. Strive and try are cop out words for this generation of GSs. We are a organization of women and girls that should promise that we will do something and continue to empower ourselves to do it not try or strive. Sometimes we fail but girls should be taught that you pick yourself up and continue to do what we WILL do not just strive or try.

  4. My two cents would be:

    On my honor, I “strive” :
    To Serve “my” God and my country,
    To Help people at all times,
    And live by the Girl Scout Law.

    I added “my” God thus to make it more across the board as to what God to serve. God in many cultures have different names. This now includes all GODs, except those who do not have one. If we then want to look at that, then I would remove the word “GOD” as not to create religious conflict.

  5. I don’t care for the way the promise has been changed ….. how about only removing the word try. On my honor Serve, doesn’t work.

  6. I am not personally in favor of the proposed changes, although I understand the reasons these proposed changes may appeal to some. Part comes from my perception that GS needs to be a place where girls do try things (including the behaviors outlined in the Promise and Law). They frequently fail. What we want them to do in response to failure, whether failure to live by the Promise and Law or failure to tie a square knot is to try again, and again, and again. Personally I try EVERY DAY to be a kinder human being; unfortunately, I frequently fail to meet that goal. But I try again. How will girls feel if they say “I will” to the ethical standards in the Promise and Law and then fail? Will they quit trying to serve God and Country or help others? Will they quit trying to do their best to be honest and fair, friendly and helpful, etc.? We are all imperfect humans. I fear that having a standard that is literally impossible to reach — because we all WILL fail some of the time to meet the intent of the GS Promise and Law — will have a different effect than what is intended here.

    1. Marty I agree with everything you said. I have been in Girl Scouts for 45 years and in that time it was my understanding that Girl Scouts was a safe place for girls to fail. Because we are not prefect and we will fail. But you want them try again and again and again

    2. Absolutely! I think you’re spot on. I’m so glad this failed. I stress the “Try” with my girls. When they don’t live up to the promise or law, I point to that try and explain we all make mistakes, what we’re doing in Girl Scouts is learning how to do better every day and learn from those mistakes. I agree that it’s so important for the kids to know they can make mistakes in Girl Scouts and it’s a safe place to keep going and try again. The goal isn’t to make perfect humans, those don’t exist, the goal is to teach them how to always keep trying and learning to do better. I don’t think “Try” is soft language at all, I think it’s brave language, to accept our mistakes and keep at it without giving up is something we can all strive for.

  7. While I appreciate the desire to lift the voice and desires of the girls, there are bigger issues that this movement are facing.
    Yes, definitive language can and is empowering. However, we are all imperfect people and we should give it our best everyday. When we do our best sometimes we fail. Failure is where we learn. It’s where innovation happens. When we try we can also achieve all of the things listed in the promise and law.
    Definitive language makes it feel black and white, either/or, with the one small word “try” it leaves lots of room for variations of success. I believe it should stay as is.

  8. I understand the argument for “definitive” language as mentioned by the psychologist cited. But there is also an argument for using growth mindset language — acknowledging that we will fail but continue to try. And language of mindful intentions over unbending resolutions. And in an age when kids are more stressed out than ever, I’d lean more towards language that is forgiving and allows for growth as is present in the promise and law as it is now.

  9. I don’t want my child regularly pledging to serve her country with no allowance for her own beliefs. I want her to try to serve her country, but sometimes her country may do things she doesn’t agree with and I don’t want the Girl Scout promise to indoctrinate her to blindly serve.

    I also don’t agree with asking girls to state they will always be friendly in the law. The current wording allows girls to recognize they may be in a situation where they should not be friendly. It gives them leeway to walk away from a situation in which they were trying to be helpful but the situation is harmful to them, and even though help may still be needed, they don’t have to give it.

    Teach girls to communicate directly; encourage them to say what they mean without softening their language, but don’t force every girl across the country to make militant oaths.

  10. I also do NOT think the wording should be changed! Girl Scouting has always been, from the beginning, a place where girls can GROW into women of courage, character, and strength. However, one does not do that without making mistakes along the way to help that growth! How many girls have told us that a part of their Gold Award Project failed and they had to take their project in a whole different direction? What happens to those girls who have to change project direct? Are they breaking the Promise and Law if you change it??
    Isn’t Girl Scouting one place where girls can be a little less stressful?

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